Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tim Sheens]

@avocadoontoast what was the reason behind him losing his spot to Thompson?

Losing confidence whilst being played injured in the most demanding position did not help.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

So Pascoe announced during yesterday's Muppet show he'll be announcing a major signing this week...well 24hrs to go or you'll look pretty stupid I guess

Don’t hold your breath - it’ll be Musgrove or Billy friggen Britain or some other muppet like that.

Geez Steve, that former regularly half full glass of yours has fallen off a cliff.

Mate as far as recruitment goes, my glass has been empty for a long long time. We just never get it right. I don’t know why but everything we touch recruitment wise turns to crap

I am pretty sure that you knew that I wasn't having a dig, as I am also generally positive, but after eight years of no finals, my glass is also leaning at the edge of the tipping point.

Absolutely mate. Didn’t take it as a dig at all. But you’re right! I am negative about this aspect of our club. Sounds like you are feeling the same. But I don’t know the answers or the root cause. I’m sure everyone is doing all they can to develop an outstanding roster but it’s just falling flat.

I do have a theory though.

I think we have a deep cultural problem. I think failing and falling short of the mark are ingrained in our DNA. We fall at the last hurdle so often in many ways:
1. Finish just out of the eight
2. Lose consistently in golden point
3. Get run down and lose in dying minutes
4. Don’t seal the deal with players we really want
5. Target old or average players because we think they’ll say yes
6. Not get the most out of new recruits
7. Can’t turn around the mindsets of good players wanting out.

There is a thread that runs through all of this - when it really matters, we don’t believe we can compete with the best. It’s perhaps subconscious, but it’s there.

I work with organisations daily about improving and shifting culture. I know my stuff here. I think the WestsTigers need to strip back everything and look deeply into their culture of expectation. It may sound a bit theoretical but it works. Change the culture, change behaviour, change attitudes, change results.

What did Jack Gibson say - winning starts in the front office.

Currently in nearly every tight or important moment, on or off field, we lose. We have to win those moments. It’s culture and mindset that determines the ability to win in those moments. Tigers need to start here. In my humble opinion of course.

 

[coivtny]

So Pascoe announced during yesterday's Muppet show he'll be announcing a major signing this week...well 24hrs to go or you'll look pretty stupid I guess

Don’t hold your breath - it’ll be Musgrove or Billy friggen Britain or some other muppet like that.

Geez Steve, that former regularly half full glass of yours has fallen off a cliff.

Mate as far as recruitment goes, my glass has been empty for a long long time. We just never get it right. I don’t know why but everything we touch recruitment wise turns to crap

I am pretty sure that you knew that I wasn't having a dig, as I am also generally positive, but after eight years of no finals, my glass is also leaning at the edge of the tipping point.

Absolutely mate. Didn’t take it as a dig at all. But you’re right! I am negative about this aspect of our club. Sounds like you are feeling the same. But I don’t know the answers or the root cause. I’m sure everyone is doing all they can to develop an outstanding roster but it’s just falling flat.

I do have a theory though.

I think we have a deep cultural problem. I think failing and falling short of the mark are ingrained in our DNA. We fall at the last hurdle so often in many ways:
1. Finish just out of the eight
2. Lose consistently in golden point
3. Get run down and lose in dying minutes
4. Don’t seal the deal with players we really want
5. Target old or average players because we think they’ll say yes
6. Not get the most out of new recruits
7. Can’t turn around the mindsets of good players wanting out.

There is a thread that runs through all of this - when it really matters, we don’t believe we can compete with the best. It’s perhaps subconscious, but it’s there.

I work with organisations daily about improving and shifting culture. I know my stuff here. I think the WestsTigers need to strip back everything and look deeply into their culture of expectation. It may sound a bit theoretical but it works. Change the culture, change behaviour, change attitudes, change results.

What did Jack Gibson say - winning starts in the front office.

Currently in nearly every tight or important moment, on or off field, we lose. We have to win those moments. It’s culture and mindset that determines the ability to win in those moments. Tigers need to start here. In my humble opinion of course.

Mate, don't always agree with your POV but this is just about the post of the year for me. In those 7 points you've summarised perfectly just what is wrong in this club. We all love the WT but it does no harm at all to recognise our weaknesses and you've done that brilliantly.

 

[Moh]

I know I'm going off early, but its one thing when you hear rumours about a signing that doesn't eventuate...but when you hear it from your own CEO....

I know its still 2:30pm over there, but why the extremely late announcement if it, given it was mentioned by our CEO on Wednesday, is basically done?

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

We fall at the last hurdle so often in many ways:

8. Underperform against teams we should beat eg Dogs

 

[Tiger_Steve]

We fall at the last hurdle so often in many ways:

8. Underperform against teams we should beat eg Dogs

Yes!!! That’s a huge one. All stemming from the same problem. Good pick up!

 

[new smoking gun]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO

I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's brutal in here

Pinata of the day today seems to have been determined to be Pascoe, following on from recent days victims, Hagipantelis and Latrell, even AJ who isn't even here yet has had a turn and poor old Moses Mbye is never far away from a go

No one's safe!


Dish it out, Curly!

Not me @TieDye there are plenty in here to do that, I believe they are all doing their best and as someone wiser than me once said, "if you've done your best you've done enough"

WE NEED A GOAL KICKER:angry:

If Momirovski can maintain a plus 75% ratio and the form once he had settled into the side, then I am happy enough with that. Very few get results beyond 80%, so missing one less out of every twenty will do.

 

[2005magic]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

What's the worry with TPA? They're between player and third party nothing to do with clubs according to the NRL?

 

[HabboTiger]

It's brutal in here

Pinata of the day today seems to have been determined to be Pascoe, following on from recent days victims, Hagipantelis and Latrell, even AJ who isn't even here yet has had a turn and poor old Moses Mbye is never far away from a go

No one's safe!

These guys haven't done much to stay off the Pinata list. These guys need to prove us wrong and then we will be sweet.

And Souths fans coming to brag

 

[kiwitiger]

Aj is just an average player who would join our club coz his club doesnt want him and we are probably the only option. I'd love to get a star player but it feels like it won't happen. Eep.


Can I remind you that the Roosters don’t want LM either or does that negate your argument


You could say the same about AJ, but I won't

So much crap talk at the moment on the forum, in short, you can only buy what's available. Just remember that buying a champion player does not make you a champion team.

**As being the laughing stock of the NRL ppffttt I don't buy that at all. I would suggest that most opposition supporters would say that the Tigers are their second fav team, maybe they just like underdogs.I can take that as a compliment.**

Anyway, its only a game a far worse things are happening at present in Australia and the world. Fires, unemployment, drought, climate change, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon etc. Just enjoy the game and the club for what it is and enjoy our wins and drown our losses.......

If you talk to most Rugby League fans funnily enough you find that the Roosters are the laughing stock of the NRL. Despite their onfield success, most people are aware of their favouritism with the power brokers of the NRL and are skeptical of the way they have 'bought' their success in recent years. People are always having a dig at their salary cap sombrero and seem to regard their Premiership success as somewhat hollow victories.

I’d settle for being the laughing stock with back to back premierships!

That sounds like the definition of a Roosters supporter.

Well my missus and eldest son support the Rooster. Me and the little bloke are Tigers. I can tell you who does more smiling in our house during footy season!


Don't listen to them Bones, deep down they know those victories are just hollow and were brought about by the systematic pillaging of the best players from other clubs under extremely dodgy financial dealings that the NRL turns a blind eye to. Everyone knows it, even Roosters supporters.

So doing whatever you can to improve your team is hollow. I'd call it professionalism and ambition.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So Pascoe announced during yesterday's Muppet show he'll be announcing a major signing this week...well 24hrs to go or you'll look pretty stupid I guess

Don’t hold your breath - it’ll be Musgrove or Billy friggen Britain or some other muppet like that.

Geez Steve, that former regularly half full glass of yours has fallen off a cliff.

Mate as far as recruitment goes, my glass has been empty for a long long time. We just never get it right. I don’t know why but everything we touch recruitment wise turns to crap

I am pretty sure that you knew that I wasn't having a dig, as I am also generally positive, but after eight years of no finals, my glass is also leaning at the edge of the tipping point.

Absolutely mate. Didn’t take it as a dig at all. But you’re right! I am negative about this aspect of our club. Sounds like you are feeling the same. But I don’t know the answers or the root cause. I’m sure everyone is doing all they can to develop an outstanding roster but it’s just falling flat.

I do have a theory though.

I think we have a deep cultural problem. I think failing and falling short of the mark are ingrained in our DNA. We fall at the last hurdle so often in many ways:
1. Finish just out of the eight
2. Lose consistently in golden point
3. Get run down and lose in dying minutes
4. Don’t seal the deal with players we really want
5. Target old or average players because we think they’ll say yes
6. Not get the most out of new recruits
7. Can’t turn around the mindsets of good players wanting out.

There is a thread that runs through all of this - when it really matters, we don’t believe we can compete with the best. It’s perhaps subconscious, but it’s there.

I work with organisations daily about improving and shifting culture. I know my stuff here. I think the WestsTigers need to strip back everything and look deeply into their culture of expectation. It may sound a bit theoretical but it works. Change the culture, change behaviour, change attitudes, change results.

What did Jack Gibson say - winning starts in the front office.

Currently in nearly every tight or important moment, on or off field, we lose. We have to win those moments. It’s culture and mindset that determines the ability to win in those moments. Tigers need to start here. In my humble opinion of course.

Well, at least it inspired a good post, even though I'm on the fence with some points. My major drama is the rep level signing that we did not get a chance to have this season and won't have again next, because of the Farah fiasco.

I have no doubt that the 'front office' aspect of the club has been improved for several years, but that has been the major hiccup and for mine, much worse than the also problematic long contracts.

 

[new smoking gun]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

What's the worry with TPA? They're between player and third party nothing to do with clubs according to the NRL?

I seriously need to check out of this forum. My god

 

[Moh]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

That's not the point.

Point is our CEO said there will be signing news this week.

 

[boonboon]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

That's not the point.

Point is our CEO said there will be signing news this week.

No he didnt. He said thier might be which also means thier might not be.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

What's the worry with TPA? They're between player and third party nothing to do with clubs according to the NRL?


I seriously need to check out of this forum. My god

Humility NSG, humility

 

[Moh]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

That's not the point.

Point is our CEO said there will be signing news this week.

No he didnt. He said thier might be which also means thier might not be.

Fair, can't recall exact words - but that's equally unnecessary.

 

[tigerbalm]

So no media leaks so I’m assuming no signing announcements today. No big surprise, Justin Pascoe is one let down after another. Is anyone else waiting for this CoExcellence Plan to fall over?

So if there's no signing announced today it will just be further evidence that the bloke is a total amateur....way out of his depth as a CEO


I don’t think you understand the process. NRL have to approve the release then approve the new contract etc takes time. Especially if there’s any TPA’s

That's not the point.

Point is our CEO said there will be signing news this week.

No he didnt. He said thier might be which also means thier might not be.

Jesus, i know you always drink the WT coolade but even you must struggle with rationalizing that one.

Given the volatile speculation over the last few weeks. Do you think its smart for the CEO to hint at a signing if it was not 100% locked in that it would be announced this week? Actually, don't bother answering. In JP we trust right.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Do you think its smart for the CEO to hint at a signing if it was not 100% locked in that it would be announced this week?

Bingo. It isn’t smart at all. He shouldn’t have said anything.

 

[shifty]

Do you think its smart for the CEO to hint at a signing if it was not 100% locked in that it would be announced this week?

Bingo. It isn’t smart at all. He shouldn’t have said anything.

Like most people with “inside info” on this forum, Pascoe throwing darts at a dartboard too ??