Simona on the move

[cochise]

Or the Clubs silence on this could simply mean …It's BS...

Or it could simply mean the story that Nick Politis hasn't spoken to James Tedesco is BS and it's time for a garage sale to offload a Commodore or the odd Torana to keep the Ferrari

That wouldn't make much sense in Simona's case as he is off-contract in 2017..so off loading him this Year would have zero impact on the retention of Tedesco in 2018..

It would be just a simple case on not re-signing Simona beyond this Year to thwart Unca Nick's devilish plan..Unless you mean Teddy will be a Rooster in 2017..

That's not necessarily true, it's possible that we are not over the cap but are looking to upgrade Teddy's contract for this year. If we release a player now, we could then sign off on a new deal for Teddy that starts this year and pays him more this year making it easier to keep all the players we want long term.

 

[vlad]

Or the Clubs silence on this could simply mean …It's BS...

Or it could simply mean the story that Nick Politis hasn't spoken to James Tedesco is BS and it's time for a garage sale to offload a Commodore or the odd Torana to keep the Ferrari

That wouldn't make much sense in Simona's case as he is off-contract in 2017..so off loading him this Year would have zero impact on the retention of Tedesco in 2018..

It would be just a simple case on not re-signing Simona beyond this Year to thwart Unca Nick's devilish plan..Unless you mean Teddy will be a Rooster in 2017..

That's not necessarily true, it's possible that we are not over the cap but are looking to upgrade Teddy's contract for this year. If we release a player now, we could then sign off on a new deal for Teddy that starts this year and pays him more this year making it easier to keep all the players we want long term.

That's a possibility .
Another could be if Teddy had a rep team bonus clause in his contract which triggered an upgrade .
As it was Grant Mayer who did that deal anything is possible .

 

[Donald_Trump]

Would love to see TimSim on the wing. I reckon that is his spot.

 

[happy_tiger]

If we can begin to win the ruck, and begin each tackle in defense on the front foot instead of the backpedal… That will change

I agree, also stop conceding points in the 5 min before and straight after half time. :unamused:

Will go a decent way to achieve long awaited finals berth.

Lots of 25-18 wins will answer many of our prayers :smiley:

 

[tigerbenji]

I have always thought Tims best spot in the team is as a winger.

 

[king_sirro]

Joel Edwards without a doubt should be the first player moved on. He is useless.

I dunno… If we can get our defence in order so we aren't always on the back foot... He can be a weapon in defence. If we're attacking with our D I like what he can offer... He cN hurt blokes and provide inspiration

His impact in defence gets talked up a lot but I just can't remember any tackles last season when he shortened anyone up with a bonecrunching hit. Maybe he was a hitman in his Newcastle and Canberra days and people are going off that? I dunno, he just doesnt seem to be any more punishing in defence than any of our other forwards and with ball in hand he is pretty ineffective IMO.

Good defender. Not so many "bonecrunching" hits, but plenty of bootlace tackles.

I too noticed Edwards bootlaces tackles last year which annoyed the hell out of me at the time but Innk is right about the ruck. I think the reason Edwards was inneffective was because he tried to bulk up in the off season to play front row and the got an injury. So he never got fit, he was one of those players that cant perform with extra weight on, he needs to be lean and fit, thats what keeps him mobile and able to get into a position to hit like he can. If we do better at the ruck and Joel can get to the right fitness levels he can certainly play a role for us.

 

[2041]

As someone pointed out last night. For us to be over the cap with this squad is disgraceful management.

This. A thousand times this. I am absolutely pig sick of being told the cap problems are all the fault of previous administrations - because there is literally zero sign of it getting any better. Every year it's the same: "we aren't signing anyone this year because we're still under cap pressure, but when we get past it just you wait". Sure - when?

If all we're going to do is give all the cap money to the halves, Tedesco and Woods, and surround them with reserve-grade players we'll be in the same situation for the next half decade, too. We saw what this side would be in 2016: not competitive, at least not with the current coaching setup.

Look, I totally get that there are clubs in the NRL that spend well over the cap. But there are others that don't and still manage to be competitive, or at least to create windows of competitiveness. The Tigers show, again and again, that they can't creatively manage a cap to secure value. If you think this is going to get better you're deluding yourself - the window to exploit cap space created by relatively cheap deals for Moses and Tedesco is closing, fast. And the Tigers are showing not a single clue how to react, other than to throw all the money they do have at players who precedent has established aren't going to win a comp without a better supporting cast.

 

[2041]

I thought you couldn't register a contract with the nrl unless you were under the cap. How then was Idris signed?

It doesn't make sense. Unless tigers are trying to clear cap space incase we want to pick someone up mid season like ET last year. We do need $120k-$140k of cap room for Jamals match payments incase he plays the full season but surely that would already have been a consideration when signing him.

Bear in mind this rumour is coming from the Mole…

One card the Tigers have up their sleeve with the off contract players is the - theoretical - ability to renew their contracts as of now. Say we don't want to pay Tedesco a million bucks a year out of the cap for the four after 2017, well we could offer him a new contract starting now that pays him $900k a year for the four after 2017 and also ups his 2017 salary by $400k.

So it's possible the club is trying to be clever with this year's cap to effectively front load a deal or deals. If that's true better get used to it, because as I said in my previous post if we're paying market rate to Tedesco, Moses, Brooks and Woods there won't be much left to put anything useful around them.

 

[Newtown]

As someone pointed out last night. For us to be over the cap with this squad is disgraceful management.

This. A thousand times this. I am absolutely pig sick of being told the cap problems are all the fault of previous administrations - because there is literally zero sign of it getting any better. Every year it's the same: "we aren't signing anyone this year because we're still under cap pressure, but when we get past it just you wait". Sure - when?

If all we're going to do is give all the cap money to the halves, Tedesco and Woods, and surround them with reserve-grade players we'll be in the same situation for the next half decade, too. We saw what this side would be in 2016: not competitive, at least not with the current coaching setup.

Look, I totally get that there are clubs in the NRL that spend well over the cap. But there are others that don't and still manage to be competitive, or at least to create windows of competitiveness. The Tigers show, again and again, that they can't creatively manage a cap to secure value. If you think this is going to get better you're deluding yourself - the window to exploit cap space created by relatively cheap deals for Moses and Tedesco is closing, fast. And the Tigers are showing not a single clue how to react, other than to throw all the money they do have at players who precedent has established aren't going to win a comp without a better supporting cast.

The Wests Tigers CAP situation will improve very markedly when the club uses money from TPA's to entice the halves, Tedesco and Woods to stay rather than taking the full amount of money required to keep these players from precious CAP resources. It is common sense when you consider that our No.1 member, Harry, is now finally allowed to contribute with TPA's.

 

[Telltails]

As someone pointed out last night. For us to be over the cap with this squad is disgraceful management.

This. A thousand times this. I am absolutely pig sick of being told the cap problems are all the fault of previous administrations - because there is literally zero sign of it getting any better. Every year it's the same: "we aren't signing anyone this year because we're still under cap pressure, but when we get past it just you wait". Sure - when?

If all we're going to do is give all the cap money to the halves, Tedesco and Woods, and surround them with
reserve-grade players we'll be in the same situation for the next half decade, too. We saw what this side would be in 2016: not competitive, at least not with the current coaching setup.
Look, I totally get that there are clubs in the NRL that spend well over the cap. But there are others that don't and still manage to be competitive, or at least to create windows of competitiveness. The Tigers show, again and again, that they can't creatively manage a cap to secure value. If you think this is going to get better you're deluding yourself - the window to exploit cap space created by relatively cheap deals for Moses
and Tedesco is closing, fast. And the Tigers are showing not a single clue how to react, other than to throw all the money they do have at players who precedent has established aren't going to win a comp without a better supporting cast.

YES - the whole next year when Farah frees space is a complete myth - his salary will be absorbed in the 're- signing of the big 4 anyway and it's as clear as day that these boys need more around them to be in the top eight let alone the top 4\. Same old same old
Just look at other rosters and even a rough estimate at player salaries will suggest that we are not doing it right.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

This is CRAZY… Tim Simona could be one of the best Wingers in the NRL if given the chance.

#savetimsim

Exactly, I haven't got a clue about truth of the report, but if it is, I would feel sorry for him as he's been played out of position for the last few years
Especially when you look at the other wing and see Rankin looking like a protected species.
Simona is an average( at best) centre, but has shown in the past that he is an extremely good Winger.
And he's got pace, unlike most in our team.
If Lovett is found guilty, they save 200,000 if the reports of his payment is correct.
If that's not enough, Just how much is is club in the red .
And just as importantly, why has it taken until now to find out the extent of the problems.
Keeping personality's apart, why did they not know the situation, before deciding to pay
A motza for a player to play for another club for this season, thus losing that player for the season, but still not know what that would do to our Salary cap.

It's one thing to get rid of any player, for ANY reason . But if it's going to send your Cap
Problems spiralling, they should have known the consequences before they took the action.
Surely they have enough fingers on both hands to be able to work that out ahead of time
If true, I wonder who'll get the blame for his one.

 

[Geo]

Tim is currently Auctioning off all his jersey's for charity..

#savetimsim

 

[bigsiro]

As someone pointed out last night. For us to be over the cap with this squad is disgraceful management.

This. A thousand times this. I am absolutely pig sick of being told the cap problems are all the fault of previous administrations - because there is literally zero sign of it getting any better. Every year it's the same: "we aren't signing anyone this year because we're still under cap pressure, but when we get past it just you wait". Sure - when?

If all we're going to do is give all the cap money to the halves, Tedesco and Woods, and surround them with reserve-grade players we'll be in the same situation for the next half decade, too. We saw what this side would be in 2016: not competitive, at least not with the current coaching setup.

Look, I totally get that there are clubs in the NRL that spend well over the cap. But there are others that don't and still manage to be competitive, or at least to create windows of competitiveness. The Tigers show, again and again, that they can't creatively manage a cap to secure value. If you think this is going to get better you're deluding yourself - the window to exploit cap space created by relatively cheap deals for Moses and Tedesco is closing, fast. And the Tigers are showing not a single clue how to react, other than to throw all the money they do have at players who precedent has established aren't going to win a comp without a better supporting cast.

Amen.
Except that I hardly believe that any competitive teams stay under the cap - legally or otherwise.

We need to recruit key management from top teams like Storm, Roosters, Broncos etc. Tell them to make the Tigers sustainable success both on the field and culturally their main project. Give those guys the big bucks. Give them serious incentives.
Provide them with some funds to work with and carte blanche to make big calls re coach, coaching structure, infrastructure etc..

We have Meriton - the networking, exposure and association opportunities are so immense that TPAs should be so substantial that attracting them shouldn't even be the main concern - it should be the culture, the coach and playing roster.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

People on this forum never seem to get how shopping a player works!! You need two things to happen, 1 you need another club or clubs to be interested in signing your player and you need your player to be interested in moving.

So I guess that is why Simona is being shopped. Personally I think it is madness we are very thin on outside backs he might be the only one we are willing to release that another club wants. He has had a lot of leg problems in recent times so maybe the club may think he is worth releasing.

Anyway as I always say you can only shop a player around that is in demand and the more demand the less of his contract you may have to top up

Even if they did sell him off. Our astute financial gurus will probably walk away with a deal where his new club Pays him 50,000 -and we pick up the other 300,000.
And the worst thing about it is, they'll probably be congratulating themselves for getting such a great deal. :roll

 

[palms]

Back on topic ffs guys let it rest.

Simona didn't feature in the opposed session. He may still be carrying an injury as Idris wasn't there, as well as Aloiai or Ballin from the suspected round 1 team. Naiqama still looked pretty lethal in attack in that video as he was all last year, if Webster can get his defense in order he may be able to create some room on the outside for Simona. Simona's talk from the outside of Naiqama could really help sort out his defensive deficiencies as well.

It's a much better option then playing Rankin.

 

[maxxy86]

I was a fan of Tim but the last 2 or 3 seasons he just hasn't kicked on. He has also played some very ordinary football for someone who generally has talent. He makes too many rookie errors for mine and a move to the wing wouldn't change a thing IMO. But if he is moved on it wouldn't worry me.

 

[palms]

I really believe his injuries have held him back from reaching his potential. Every year he is carrying something and maybe this is in the clubs front of thinking if in fact they are thinking of moving him on.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I thought you couldn't register a contract with the nrl unless you were under the cap. How then was Idris signed?

It doesn't make sense. Unless tigers are trying to clear cap space incase we want to pick someone up mid season like ET last year. We do need $120k-$140k of cap room for Jamals match payments incase he plays the full season but surely that would already have been a consideration when signing him.

Bear in mind this rumour is coming from the Mole…

One card the Tigers have up their sleeve with the off contract players is the - theoretical - ability to renew their contracts as of now. Say we don't want to pay Tedesco a million bucks a year out of the cap for the four after 2017, well we could offer him a new contract starting now that pays him $900k a year for the four after 2017 and also ups his 2017 salary by $400k.

So it's possible the club is trying to be clever with this year's cap to effectively front load a deal or deals. If that's true better get used to it, because as I said in my previous post if we're paying market rate to Tedesco, Moses, Brooks and Woods there won't be much left to put anything useful around them.

2041, Do you honestly believe that any player would be prepared to sign a backended contract with this club?
Anyway aren't they going to be banned or something?

 

[palms]

Re-Read the post again, the poster was talking about a front ended contract which is the total opposite to what you are talking about and pays the extra money from this years cap, not from the cap in 2019 for example meaning less comes out in subsequent years.

 

[Telltails]

If we have to offload a quality player from our roster this year - to resolve a salary cap problem and or to prop another players salary - compared to the rosters being fielded by most other teams…..well at the risk of upsetting those who keep banging on about the great work being done by the current administration - absolute joke.